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Author Topic: Submitting elsewhere after NYT rejection  (Read 617 times)

maia.mcc

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Submitting elsewhere after NYT rejection
« on: February 16, 2021, 10:02:54 PM »
Well, I've achieved that constructor rite of passage: I got my first NYT rejection! And it was pretty positive, for a rejection: they said the puzzle made them smile and the fill was very clean, just that the theme entries didn't hang together quiet enough. As far as I can tell (and I think my mentor agrees), it's a not-perfect but pretty solid puzzle, though not up to the Times' standards (understandably!).

What are people's thoughts on submitting this puzzle to other publications without edits? Or is that a tacky move? (I assume one doesn't preamble "lol this got rejected by the Times so I thought I'd try you", but like, is the fact that I submitted to the Times something to mention, or not bring up?)

mmcbs

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Re: Submitting elsewhere after NYT rejection
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2021, 04:44:07 AM »
Of course you should try others, and no need to mention previous rejection. Make sure to tweak the puzzle to conform to the editor's specs, for example LA Times uses 2 underscores for FITB.
Mark McClain
Salem, Virginia, USA
https://crosswordsbymark.wordpress.com/

Wheels12

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Re: Submitting elsewhere after NYT rejection
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2021, 02:20:45 PM »
You should definitely submit elsewhere, but usually if one paper doesn't like the theme enough, it's likely that other publications will feel the same way. Is there any chance you can rework the puzzle to get the themers to hang together a bit better? That would be my recommendation. Of course, easier said than done. If you can't find a way to rework it, then certainly submit it to other publications.

axlrosen

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Re: Submitting elsewhere after NYT rejection
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2021, 06:55:38 AM »
Yes, it's perfectly normal to make your way through the various publications.

And I think you should send it as a theme query to the other papers, not a full puzzle, since everyone except NYT and LAT accept them. That lets them suggest tweaks more easily.

Judythelibrarian

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Re: Submitting elsewhere after NYT rejection
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2021, 04:27:38 PM »
I am also a new constructor.  I have 8 rejections in total now, from three different newspapers.  What do you mean by sending a theme query?  How much do you include?
   Thanks, Judy

axlrosen

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Re: Submitting elsewhere after NYT rejection
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2021, 03:13:02 AM »
Basically, you include whatever they need in order to evaluate your theme. Most commonly that will be the theme entries, including the revealer if there is one, and their clues. And possibly the puzzle's title, if it's important to the theme (or if you just like it and think it might help). You don't send a grid (unless it's a non-standard style of theme that needs to be seen to be understood).

Then the editor will tell you if they like it as-is, or it's not for them, or it has potential with some revision. After you settle on the theme, they will typically ask you to create a grid and/or fill that they approve, and then finally provide all the clues.

You can look at the various publishers specs, and see which ones accept theme queries. (And be aware that WSJ accepts theme queries for all puzzles, even though their spec may not have been updated.)

Make sense?

andrewmc

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Re: Submitting elsewhere after NYT rejection
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2021, 09:36:00 AM »
Well, I've achieved that constructor rite of passage: I got my first NYT Crossword rejection! And it was pretty positive, for a rejection: they said the puzzle made them smile and the fill was very clean, just that the theme entries didn't hang together quiet enough. As far as I can tell (and I think my mentor agrees), it's a not-perfect but pretty solid puzzle, though not up to the Times' standards (understandably!).

What are people's thoughts on submitting this puzzle to other publications without edits? Or is that a tacky move? (I assume one doesn't preamble "lol this got rejected by the Times so I thought I'd try you", but like, is the fact that I submitted to the Times something to mention, or not bring up?)

Hi Maia,

Please don't let one refusal affect your mood or overall crossword experience. I can name probably over 5 world-class cruciverbalists that have had a lot of refusals from major publishers during all these years so my advise is to never give up and try another place. There is nothing wrong with mentioning that you were refused by NYT.

 


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