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Author Topic: Mon., 10/6 Jerome Gunderson  (Read 1345 times)

magus

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Mon., 10/6 Jerome Gunderson
« on: October 06, 2014, 09:54:31 AM »
THEME:   first word of a phrase can follow ARMY
   
GOOD ONES:     
Soldier's group { & theme }  ARMY   
Apt name for a painter   ART   
   
   
RATING:  :'(   
Three grins = Loved it; Two grins = Enjoyed it; One grin = A bit bland for my taste; One teardrop = Not much fun   

Thomps2525

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Re: Mon., 10/6 Jerome Gunderson
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2014, 05:10:07 PM »
When I hear the word "saloon" I think of the scenes in old Western movies showing rowdy gunmen drinking and sometimes fighting. I certainly don't think of 21st-century bars and taverns as "saloons." After all, Toby Keith sang I Love This Bar, not "saloon." Today's puzzle included TSHIRTS, clued as "Saloon souvenirs." I've never been to a bar. Can I assume that barkeepers sell t-shirts? And if so, why didn't the clue say "Bar souvenirs"?

Crossword editors used to reject 15x15 puzzles with more than 36 black squares. A good puzzle has no more than 32. Today's has 40 and is the third such puzzle I've seen in the past week. Have editors changed their publication standards?

magus

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Re: Mon., 10/6 Jerome Gunderson
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2014, 09:37:27 AM »
I certainly don't think of 21st-century bars and taverns as "saloons."
Because you don't think of it that way does not mean others do not.  The term is perfectly acceptable.

Toby Keith sang I Love This Bar, not "saloon."
Is a Toby Keith song authoritative?

Can I assume that barkeepers sell t-shirts?
Yes, especially because you've never been to a bar.

Have editors changed their publication standards?
Yes, and that may not be bad if by doing so allows for increased entertainment, which, alas, this one did not.

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Re: Mon., 10/6 Jerome Gunderson
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2014, 05:23:04 PM »
I can think of only one hit single about a saloon: the Oak Ridge Boys' Y'All Come Back Saloon in 1977. Nine years earlier, Paul McCartney sang about how the title character in Rocky Raccoon "booked himself a room in the local saloon." I thought the word was pretty much obsolete, outside of Western movies and novels. If bar-goers in 2014 still use the word "saloon," then I officially withdraw my objection to the use of that word in a puzzle.

Now...tell me about those t-shirts. People actually pay money for t-shirts so they can wear the shirts in public and provide free advertising for the bars? What a great deal for those bartenders! :)

 


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